Could Loch Ness and Champ be actually be water dragons

[cplace]

Could it be possible that Loch Ness Monstor and Champ from Lake Champlain are actually a water serpent or water dragons.

[Jishdefish]

I think that is very possible... but it would have to come up for air wouldn't it..... Unless it is a mutated Dragonfish..... or a school of us.....

[niño de los dragones]

i think they are.

[Silentiea]

Mayhap they're an example of static evolution in dragons...

Wow. That'd be creepy...

[Neco the Nightwraith]

Whatever you want to believe.

[Firuweata]

Perhaps they are merely holograms???

[Silentiea]

Or maybe the water is slightly halucinogenic...

[Jake]

the loch ness is a sea serpent and the word serpent means dragon and along those lines!!!!!!!!! so yes i do think so!

[niño de los dragones]

how do u compare a serpant to a dragon. and don't u dare mention those long chiness dragons.

[Neco the Nightwraith]

serpent
n 1: limbless scaly elongate reptile; some are venomous [syn: snake,
ophidian]
2: a firework that moves in serpentine manner when ignited
3: an obsolete bass cornet; resembles a snake

ser·pent (sûrpnt)
n.
1. A reptile of the order Serpentes; a snake.
2. often Serpent
a. In the Bible, the creature that tempted Eve.
b. Satan.
3. A subtle, sly, or treacherous person.
4. A firework that writhes while burning.
5. Music A deep-voiced wind instrument of serpentine shape, used principally from the 17th to 19th century, about 2.5 meters (8 feet) in length and made of brass or wood.
6. Serpent Serpens.

Main Entry: ser·pent
Pronunciation: 's&r-p&nt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin serpent-, serpens, from present participle of serpere to creep; akin to Greek herpein to creep, Sanskrit sarpati he creeps
1 a archaic : a noxious creature that creeps, hisses, or stings b : SNAKE
2 : DEVIL 1
3 : a treacherous person

[niño de los dragones]

ur piont?

that still don't compare a serpent to a dragon.

[Neco the Nightwraith]

That was my point. It is your issue if you are too closed to see it.

I shall also state this bluntly, as my usual grace is ignored:

Dragons, no matter what country or culture they are from, are dragons. Including the Chinese ones.

[niño de los dragones]

by the chinese ones i meant the long ones without wings.

[Jishdefish]

Tomato Tomoto<spelled for pronounciation>, makes no difference, whether it be a dragon or a dinosaur... We will never know.....

[Neco the Nightwraith]

@nino

Dragons don't have to have wings. In this I am solid as rock, and am immoveable.

Your debate is making me impatient. Therefore I post this:

-a creature of Teutonic mythology; usually represented as breathing fire and having a reptilian body and sometimes wings
-a fiercely vigilant and unpleasant woman
-Draco: a faint constellation twisting around the north celestial pole and lying between Ursa Major and Cepheus
-any of several small tropical Asian lizards capable of gliding by spreading winglike membranes on each side of the body

drag·on (drgn)
n.
1. A mythical monster traditionally represented as a gigantic reptile having a lion's claws, the tail of a serpent, wings, and a scaly skin.
2.
a. A fiercely vigilant or intractable person.
b. Something very formidable or dangerous.
3. Any of various lizards, such as the Komodo dragon or the flying lizard.
4. Archaic A large snake or serpent.

17th Century
The dragon, a winged serpent, killeth with his breath.
20th Century
An imaginary monster that looks like a giant lizard with wings and claws.

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(Essay excerpts cited to http://www.polenth.demon.co.uk/myth/esswhat.html

"In modern times, the idea of what a dragon looks like has become increasingly stereotypical: reptilian, two bat-like wings, four legs, long neck and tail, tail spade, breaths fire, hoards treasure, and is often green. But this was not always the case. Ancient dragons were very diverse in form and behaviour. This diversity makes it difficult to write a definition of what a dragon is.

One answer would be to say that a dragon is any monster which is claimed to be a dragon by the tellers of the myth. There is a big language problem with this approach. In many cultures dragons have a close affinity with some other species. The dividing line between snakes and dragons is particularly small in many cultures. Some serpentine dragons look like giant snakes, and have some snake-like attributes (such as spitting poison). This similarity is reflected in language: often one word can be used to describe a snake or a dragon. Among the Polynesians, Mo'o or Moko1, means a lizard of some type. From language alone the moko of a legend could just as easily be a fearsome dragon, or a cute little gecko.

-Reptile-like in appearance or behaviour.
-Breathing or spitting fire or poison.
-Living in water, or being associated with water.
-Having control over some aspect of the weather (particularly storms, rain, wind and floods).
-Being able to fly (not necessarily by having wings).
-Guarding something (often treasure or knowledge, but it could be a city, maiden, or some other resource. This also leads to comments about a dragon's vigilance, as many of these guardians fight to the death to protect the resource).
-Magical/Supernatural powers. Sometimes these are powers displayed by the live dragons, and sometimes magical properties of dead parts of the dragon.

-Having bird-like traits2 (most commonly feathers).
-Roundals on the wings and/or body.
-Ability to turn into another type of animal (including human).
-Holding a position of power (such as a being a god, or close servant of the gods).

Stereotype 1 - Western dragons are evil, and Eastern dragons are good
Stereotype 2 - Dragons must have legs and wings
Stereotype 3 - Dragons must be intelligent
Stereotype 4 - Mythological dragons are large

Defining dragons is a very complex subject, and cannot be done with a few sentences. Even a more elaborate definition, such as this one, has problems classifying some creatures. Ancient sources of dragon information can be hard to translate, and some information may only be found in one source. This means that sources cannot always be crossed checked. Even with good sources, there are some creatures who are borderline cases, such as nagas. Nagas are from India. They are serpents, with human heads. Many have supernatural powers. Nagas would not be the first dragons to look chimeric. Having human parts is not intrinsically different from a dragon having bird wings or fish fins. Dragons already share other human traits (such as intelligence), so why could a dragon not share physical traits too? It is a matter of opinion whether there is a difference in looking like a human, to looking like a bird. Issues like this also contribute to blurring the borderlines of what is a dragon, and what is not a dragon. "

I hope I have made a point.

[niño de los dragones]

i know dragons don't have to have wings.when i try to arguge with normal people they always bring up the chinese dragons to compare to snakes because of the lack of wings.

[Neco the Nightwraith]

Some people do not see like you or me. Tell them that, and leave them.

[wut2say]

well no one brought up chinese dragons here so y did u?

[niño de los dragones]

because i was trying to anticipate a argument.

[Neco the Nightwraith]

And look where it got you. Not too far huh? Kind of pointless? Maybe that should be taken into consideration in the future, when you're posting messages like that.

End statement.

I personally might be considered the fiercely vigilant and unpleasant woman. I'm good at that.

[vampirehunter42]

Well seeing I do not think either, or any other 'lake monster', is real. I say no they are not.

[Jishdefish]

I think Loch Ness is a dragon's spirit... it would explain the lack of anything showing up on the scanners....

[niño de los dragones]

but how do u explaine the fact that they are not transparent to human eyes.

[Jishdefish]

Some ghosts don't appear on tracking equipment....

[niño de los dragones]

no they probly dodn't but that still don't explaine how people see them as solid and the nocked over trees and stuff. o ghost can't do that. unless it is a poltergiest (ignore spelling please.)